John Dowdy:
Hello and welcome to this week's Equinety podcast. We're going to swing out into the great state of Arkansas next to my old Oklahoma stomping grounds. We've got Dr. Zach Bruggen, veterinarian on the line. Doc, welcome to the Equinety podcast.
Dr. Bruggen:
Hey John, how are you? I'm excited to be here and talking about what we got coming down the line with the Equinety line of products.
John Dowdy:
And other things. Yes. You almost let the cat out of the bag, which is perfectly fine. For almost five years we've been on the market now with the Equinety Horse XL, which is a 100% pure amino acids. There is no fillers, sugars, starches. There's no loading dose. It has a really taken on a life of its own. It's one of the reasons why we started the podcast. I guess you found out about the Equinety Horse XL probably a couple of years ago, I'd say, thereabout.
Dr. Bruggen:
Yeah, that's right
John Dowdy:
So. Go ahead.
Dr. Bruggen:
I was just introduced to the product on social media and then here in the community, hearing horse people talk about it and the results that they were experiencing with their horses. I'm always down to try some of the supplements out on the market with my own horses and get a feel for what's out there, which is what I ended up recommending to my clients for their horses. It was really imperative for anything that I recommend that I try it myself and my horses. I gave Equinety a try and have been super impressed with not only my horses response to it, but also all of my clients as well.
John Dowdy:
Sure. Now when you first saw the product and saw the combination of amino acids, what was your initial thought? Because, being in the veterinarian field, and we talk to a lot of veterinarians on this side. It all depends on the school they come from. Some of them are like, "Oh my gosh, I've never seen a combination like this." Others are like, "They're amino acids." I guess that's typical in any field. What was your reaction and thoughts when you first saw it?
Dr. Bruggen:
My thought was that it was formulated perfectly because it's pure amino acids. It was at a concentration that I knew was going to be efficacious for the horse. Amino acids are the building blocks for all the proteins of the body. We know that this is essential for horses to basically go throughout the day and do what we ask them to do. Whether that's trail riding, performance riding, or even just being a pasture pet. Looking closely into the ingredient list, we know that there's not any fillers. It is just plain amino acids which are bio-available to the horse that they can utilize to help regenerate and recover the cells that are undergoing compromise. I thought that the product had a very solid foundation. There's plenty of studies out there that support the supplementation of amino acids in human medicine. I knew that that would translate over to the horses just because of the pure foundation of what amino acids are and then what they provide for the body.
John Dowdy:
Sure. Without getting too in depth on this particular podcast, as we get into the nutritional aspect, and again, taking into consideration, depending on what part of the country you're in, sometimes you have to supplement more of one thing and other people don't. Speaking from our side and what this Equinety Horse XL to us, every horse in every part of the country and in other countries, they all seem to be benefiting from this stack of amino acids that we have in an Equinety Horse XL. It doesn't matter if it's a high performance born that gets the creme de la creme to the everyday chill writer or the everyday horse owner that's just trying to do good by their horse. They all seem to be benefiting. Do you have any insight on why that might be?
Dr. Bruggen:
The way that I word it to my clientele when I'm introducing the supplement and how it can be an integral part and their horses nutritional protocol is that, for me, I get to see horses from each end of the spectrum. I mean, you have clients who are going to feed gold standard feed, best hay out there. They're out on pasture. They get brought up in their stall. Then you have the other end of the spectrum where maybe they're just turned out. Maybe they're on a dry lot. Maybe they're not fed a grain. What I found was and the best way that I could correlate it for the clients was that the Equinety basically filled the voids that your horse potentially was not taking in through their daily nutritional program.
Dr. Bruggen:
That's what really made me so invested in the product because I was seeing horses and all these different environments or management protocols that were all benefiting from it because it was filling the void that they potentially may be lacking in their nutritional program. The horse that's treated on gold standard, they may not have a lot of those nutritional deficiencies, but those amino acids are going to help them continue to compete at a high level, recover their muscles better. They're going to look great. They're going to feel great versus, you may see more of a clinical change physically with a horse that may not be on that high level plain of nutrition. That's what really has captivated a lot of my clientele with a product and for me to continue to use it on my horses and keep it in the vet truck.
John Dowdy:
Sure. I think that's very consistent with what we hear from customers around the country and in other countries as I mentioned. Again, it's one of the reasons I started the podcast as a way to capture these stories because there are so many of them coming in. I always try to reiterate the fact that this is not a miracle supplement. It's not the magic thing. You said it best. It's filling that void. That seems to be, from mystery leanness things, to high performance horses, to pretty much every horse, is benefiting from it.
John Dowdy:
Switching gears a little bit here. I guess it was about, well going back about a year and a half ago, you had called me up. We were actually, or I was actually at the NBA worlds in Perry, Georgia. We were chatting like we often do. You asked me a question and that question was, "Hey, have you guys ever thought about coming out with a second product?" If I remember correctly, my response was, "Well, not for the sake of coming out with one. It had better be good." You said to me, "Well I think I have something that would really fill a void and would really work in tandem with the Equinety Horse XL.
John Dowdy:
We do a lot of education. We feel like we've done a lot of education with the amino acids. This really paid off big time. You put something on my table, which really peaked my interest. I will have to admit to you though, when you first told me that you were a big proponent of oil, my initial reaction was, "Oh gosh. A lot of people have oils. There's a lot of oils on the market." You said, "Hang on there Buckaroo." Well, you didn't actually say that. You said, "Listen to what I have to say," and I'm like, "Hey, I'm all ears," because you know what, our tagline is, Helping Horses Worldwide. Just from our relationship and what you had and what you explained to me, as I remember it, it was like the ultimate oil because you were looking around. You were always on the hunt for the ultimate oil and if there wasn't one. If there was an ultimate oil, what would that look like?
John Dowdy:
That leads into our introduction here of our oil called the Equinety Ultimate OEC. We'll get into the acronym of what OEC stands for, which is... Well, I'll let you do the honors here and explain exactly the components of this oil here.
Dr. Bruggen:
Yeah. My brain's always turning, just thinking about a bunch of different things. As I travel to these farms and see the needs of the horses that I work with. One of those things was, I've had experience feeding oil to my horses. I've enjoyed the response that I've gotten with them on that type of a supplement. As products come out and you pick and choose what works and what doesn't. I was thinking in my head and I was really, at that time, a couple of years into using the Equinety Horse XL and really loving the product. I was like, maybe I'll just ask Josh if there'd be any interest in something like this. It went from there.
Dr. Bruggen:
The biggest thing is that when we actually sit down and we actually look, if you are supplementing oil, what is that oil actually comprised of? When you look on the back of the label, I think it's one of the things that we need to do in a lot of aspects of our life. It's just to educate ourselves on what is actually in the products that we're feeding our horses or adding to their nutritional program. Looking at some of the ones that were offered at our local feed stores and out there on social media, I was looking and I was like, "You know, a lot of these are just filled with maybe the not the best things that we could potentially be offering our horses."
Dr. Bruggen:
I was set out to find, like you were saying, the ultimate oil that we could come out with. So what we did was compose an oil that is rich in Omega 3's versus Omega 6's. I think we're going to kind of delve in a little bit more about those specifics here in a little bit. Then the addition of vitamin E as well as colloidal silver. There was a bunch of different things that when we first started talking about it that we had added into it. I think you can make a case for a lot of those, but at the end of the day, our goal was to streamline a product that was extremely high quality, that set a really good foundation for what we felt would really improve the nutritional aspect of your horse's protocol. Then also try to find a product that would really compliment and pair well with the Equinety Horse XL. I really feel like we've achieved that with this new oil.
John Dowdy:
Yeah, and I agree. I mean, we've spent a little over a year research development. We've tweaked the formula a couple of different times. All the horses that you did the testing on, how do they like it? As far as taste goes?
Dr. Bruggen:
All of them took to it very, very well. Obviously anytime we add a new supplement or anything to our horses' routine there's always that little bit of caution as to whether they're going to take to it or not. We trialed it on the horses in my barn and then a couple of horses outside of it as well. The results were consistent. Maybe there was one horse out of the group that maybe was a little hesitant, that extra picky eater that maybe took a day or so to really get used to it. Most of them just gobbled or grown up just like they did prior to. I even had one person say that they felt like their horse actually ate better when the oil was on their grain compared to when it was not.
John Dowdy:
Sure. Yeah. When we get into the Ultimate OEC, so what we're talking about here is a flaxseed based oil or Omega 3. That's where the O comes from. A vitamin E, that's the E. The C is colloidal silver. OEC, you have your Omega 3, vitamin E, and colloidal silver. I tell you, as we go along here, I want to go through each line item and I want to talk about the maybe the benefits of having each one and why it was all combined in this. Ultimately what we're doing is we're feeding the cells that have been repaired from the Equinety amino acids, the Equinety Horse XL. My background, I've done some body building things, a lot of health stuff and I know the importance of repairing and regenerating the cells. I also know the importance of trying to feed those cells. It's always been in my mind as we're here in the horse industry. The timing of you coming along... This is just awesome. It's exciting. It's perfect.
John Dowdy:
Let's get right into the building blocks of the product here. Let's talk about the importance of oils. You kind of touched on this. Omega 3's versus Omega 6's. I know a lot of people out in the horse industry use oils. Part of our education here is the importance of Omega 3's versus Omega 6's. Let's get into that and talk about the pros and the cons of each and help... Let's just jump right in and educate some folks here.
Dr. Bruggen:
All right. There's two types of essential fatty acids that is needed in the horse's diet. Those are going to be though Omega 3's and they Omega 6's. We can further break those down. We know, with the clinical trials and the studies that we've gone through, know what each of those Omega 6's and Omega 3's, how they contribute to the horse's body and the effects that they have on it. Anytime the horses eat an essential fatty acid or it's in their diet, it will be oxidized for energy and incorporate it into cell membrane. I think that reiterate again what this oil is going to provide when using in conjunction with the Equinety Horse XL, as far as nutritionally supporting those repaired cells from the Equinety Horse XL.
Dr. Bruggen:
Breaking those down, like I said, a little bit further. We know that Omega 6's are actually more pro inflammatory in nature where though Omega 3's are actually more anti-inflammatory in nature. When you have the words inflammatory and anti-inflammatory, we all know that we want to have a product that's going to be more anti-inflammatory. One of the biggest things that equine veterinarians work on is making sure that our horses feel good, that they're sound, ready for competition. We don't want anything that's going to contribute to an inflammatory process within the horses body. When we're looking at the specific oils that are out there, or if you're at your local co-op or the feed store, things that we see are, soy, rice bran, sunflower, corn oil. When you actually look at those, those oils are extremely rich in Omega 6's and have little to no Omega 3's. Those oral oils are going to be much more pro-inflammatory in the horse's body versus the Omega 3's.
Dr. Bruggen:
That was what we really wanted to hyper focus on, was getting an oil that was actually that appropriate ratio of Omega 3's to Omega 6's. That's why we went with the flaxseed oil because that's going to be the highest oil in Omega 3's. When we talk about supplementation, earlier in the podcast we were talking about the range of how horses are managed and their nutrition protocols and what they're offered.
Dr. Bruggen:
Horses that have access to a good pasture and a balanced grain diet will normally not necessarily have a clinical deficiency in their fatty acid levels. Normally forge is going to be higher in Omega 3's while grains are going to be a little bit higher in Omega 6's. Those are going to be grains that are like sugar and starch based, those non-structural carbohydrates. Those horses may not necessarily exhibit a clinical deficiency in those, but we know, through clinical studies, that a horse is still going to benefit from supplementation of an oil that's high in Omega 3's due to those anti-inflammatory properties. Obviously a horse that doesn't have, let's just call it the gold standard, as far as having access to lush green grass and grain and this, that and the other, then it's even more of a benefit for those horses because then they're being provided these essential fatty acids in their diet that they may be lacking.
Dr. Bruggen:
Things that we know that the Omega 3's can help with are decreasing chronic lower airway inflammation, metabolic conditions in horses, they're like Cushings and Equine Metabolic Syndrome. It helps that through increasing the insulin sensitivity. We also know that it increases fertility in both mares and in stallions. It helps with cardiovascular health. I think a lot of people will resonate with that because we hear it in the news and on other types of social media of how good the Omegas are for our heart, especially like fish oil, which is also incorporated into this oil. We know that it improves joint health. Then we obviously see a physical change with these horses because they tend to have a much healthier coat and skin. They have a great shine to them. A lot of them will baffle out. There's a ton of benefits to an oil, but you really have to make sure that is that correct balance of Omega 3's to Omega 6's to get those benefits.
John Dowdy:
Sure. Let's touch a little bit upon the difference in how oils are sometimes processed, heat and chemically processed versus cold-pressed. Ours, just like Equinety Horse XL and amino acids, it's got to be the best of the best. That's what we went with when it comes to this flaxseed based oil being cold pressed. For those tuning in that are using an oil, what are the pros and cons of a heat chemically processed oil versus a cold pressed oil?
Dr. Bruggen:
Really the main difference is that heat basically will break down or denature the proteins and the components of any type of an element that you're trying to add. The more heat or stress that the Omegas have to go through, the less bio-available and the less function that they're going to have once consumed by the horse. By going through the cold press process, we're not denaturing those proteins, we're keeping it whole, we're keeping it to where it's going to be 100% bio-available to these horses and not have it broken down prior to the horse ingesting it.
John Dowdy:
That makes perfect sense. If you're using an oil out there, a couple of things to think about, 3's versus 6's, cold press versus heat or chemically processed, and then of course, all the benefits that you ran through with Omega 3's.
John Dowdy:
Now let's get into the next component, which is vitamin E. Let's talk about the importance of vitamin E. Why is it in here, daily requirements for a horse and things like that.
Dr. Bruggen:
Vitamin E is an awesome vitamin. I love it because it has a ton of benefits for the horse. Vitamin E is a fat soluble vitamin that is stored in the liver. The main thing that vitamin E provides their horses is it's powerful antioxidant affects. These effects translate to healthier muscles, immune system and nerve function. Those of us that have horses, we know that there's a lot of different conditions that can affect all of these groups of subjects. One of them being the neurologic component. I think most horse owners are going to be familiar with EPM. That's one of the more common type of neurologic conditions that we come in contact with a lot, especially in the area that I practice. Vitamin E is utilized a lot in the treatment and recovery of these horses because it's a vitamin that will actually cross the blood brain barrier and then effectively help with the antioxidant effects in the spinal cord where a lot of these inflammatory processes are occurring due to the protozoa that causes EPM.
Dr. Bruggen:
It's an awesome vitamin. The horses don't produce this vitamin so it has to be consumed. Our goal was to say, "Hey, we know all the great benefits that vitamin E provides. Let's make sure that with the dosing that we're providing for the Equinety Ultimate OEC, that they're going to be getting their daily dose of vitamin E every day with this product." Going into a little bit more about the vitamin E, there's two types. There is synthetic vitamin E, which is derived more from petroleum. Then you have natural vitamin E, which is going to be more from plant oils. There's a really big important distinction between the two. The synthetic vitamin E has little to no bioavailability to the horse.
Dr. Bruggen:
What that means is that if, let's say, I'm supplementing my horse. I want to supplement them with vitamin E because maybe they're recovering from an EPM episode. You're all excited that you've chosen this vitamin and everything and you're feeding it. If it's synthetic vitamin E, you're basically not giving any benefit to the horse. Bioavailability means how that horse is able to utilize what it's given and translate that into basically the results that you expect. The synthetic vitamin E has little to no bioavailability, so you pretty much are squirting it out on the ground instead of actually doing anything beneficial for the horse. Where the natural vitamin E, which is what is utilized in the Equinety Ultimate OEC, has a very high bioavailability. We know that what we're actually providing the horse in terms of dosing the vitamin E as far as daily requirement, we know that the vitamin E that they're receiving is going to be utilized and processed through the body appropriately to where they are going to get those antioxidant effects.
John Dowdy:
Sure. I know in one of the early formulations we had a higher vitamin E content. I think it was around 1800 or 2000 IU's of vitamin E. The hard cost just for the raw materials made it way too expensive. As we started going back and forth and we were like, well a thousand IU's is the daily recommended dose for vitamin E. Could you expand on that a little bit as far as, if every horse can get their daily vitamin E, 1,000 IU's... Then you had also brought up EPM horses and neurological things. What would a horse in that scenario... How much vitamin E would they need to consume to help that issue?
Dr. Bruggen:
Again, going back, our goal was to basically create an oil that was a great foundation. Now there's going to obviously be outliers in that and every horse has to be considered as an independent. For example, if your horse is experiencing a neurologic condition such as EPM, most likely your veterinarian is going to recommend that they get a higher level of vitamin E on a daily basis. There are specific vitamin E supplements, just basically pure vitamin E, that then can be added in addition to this oil to get you to that level of what they would require. Let's say like 10,000 IU's for a neurologic worst that's dealing with EPM. We know that, hey that horse is still getting that daily requirement of vitamin E through this oil. Because of this specific condition and what the horse is going through, we need to utilize a little bit more through a direct source of vitamin E in terms of... Vitamin E specific supplement to make up what that horse needs in terms of fighting that specific condition.
John Dowdy:
Sure. Based on everything that you just spoke about and if your horse falls into that category, just make sure that the vitamin E that you're getting is a natural vitamin E and not a synthetic vitamin E.
Dr. Bruggen:
Yeah, absolutely. Do your research. Talk to the people, the manufacturers. A lot of these supplement companies or companies out there that offer these types of products... They usually have a nutritionist and, or sometimes a veterinarian on staff that can go over the product and make sure that you're getting the right one for your horse.
John Dowdy:
Right. Again, with our product, the Ultimate OEC, we've got the daily recommended, which is the foundation of what your horse needs. Based on demand, we might bring out, down the road, just a vitamin E that's a high quality, natural sourced vitamin E that could maybe cater to those other issues. As it sits right now, just as you mentioned, a nice foundation of what your horse needs in combination with the amino acids.
John Dowdy:
Let's get into the third component here, which is a very interesting one. As I've been mentioning this new product to... Mentioning it strategically to certain people in my phone conversations, when I mentioned this ingredient, this is what seems to really get them excited. That is colloidal silver. Why did we add this to this combination and what are the benefits?
Dr. Bruggen:
All right, so colloidal silver is been used for quite awhile in human supplementation. It's been recently gaining a little bit more popularity over on the equine side. I think if the most thing that people are going to kind of be familiarized with colloidal silver is through respiratory nebulizing. A lot of the nebulizers out there that are on the market for horses utilize colloidal silver in the nebulization. In looking at it a little bit more, there's a lot of really cool benefits of the colloidal silver, one of them being that it has, because of the charge that it carries, it has a naturally occurring antimicrobial and antiviral property. The cool thing about it is because of that charge that it has on it, on the silver, it disrupts the bacteria from proliferating. With that being said, it also doesn't contribute to antibiotic resistance. That's one of the things that we're really fighting these days as veterinarians and then human doctors, is that some of these bacteria are becoming basically resistant to the antibiotics that we're utilizing. To have something that can be given on a daily basis that is going to help prevent, hopefully, these horses getting sick and when they do getting over it a little bit faster. Anytime that we don't have to utilize the antibiotics or any of that, that's always a benefit.
Dr. Bruggen:
With that also being said, we also know that it helps with the gastrointestinal pH. Equine ulcers is a huge thing that we combat in the equine industry. Having something that they can get on a daily basis that's going to help regulate that gastrointestinal pH and hopefully prevent the development of gastric ulcers is always nice. Then it also plays a role in thirst intake. A horse that's competing at a high level... Any horse in general, we just want to make sure that they're continually drinking that allotted daily requirement of about 10 to 12 gallons a day. Knowing that you're providing something on the feed that's going to help drive that thirst intake is comforting to know, so we don't run into things like dehydration or impaction colics or tying up or all those other kinds of conditions that fall under a horse being dehydrated.
John Dowdy:
Right. I am so excited. I don't know if it's coming through on this podcast or not. It really doesn't matter because you know what, internally we're super excited.
Dr. Bruggen:
Yes, we're very, very excited.
John Dowdy:
Yeah, and I tell you, over the last couple of months as this is becoming closer to fruition, I've been having more and more conversations and the response has been overwhelmingly so excited from people. They're like, "Please tell me when this is coming out. Please tell me when this is available." Several of our wholesalers that resell our product, "Please tell us. We will carry that product." I'm like, holy cow. It's a game changer in my humble opinion. When we look at this combination of high quality oil, high quality vitamin E, the colloidal silver and the combination of the amino acids... Again, the amino acids are giving the body what it needs to help heal from a cellular level. Then this oil combination with the vitamin and mineral are helping to feed those cells. Ultimately, what can people expect overall from feeding the combination of these products?
Dr. Bruggen:
Yeah, I think when you look at it and break it down, with the Equinety Horse XL, we know that amino acids are essential in the building blocks of all the proteins and what those proteins provide for the body. We know that it is super essential and helping getting that horse to the level that we desire. Whether that's how they look physically, whether that's how they perform. Then the oil itself, going through all the benefits of the 3's and 6's and the vitamin E and the colloidal silver, I think that knowing that your horse is getting this really high quality foundation nutritional program and something that's super easy, we're not having to load these horses or do a loading dose for a couple months and then drop them down to maintenance. It's just super simple, streamlined. It makes it really easy. You have two products that really can give your horse absolutely everything that they need.
Dr. Bruggen:
Like we've talked about, if there are those horses on the outliers that require additional supplementation, that can obviously be achieved by working with your veterinarian and everything. That was the goal, of trying to find two products that complemented one another so well and knowing what the amino acids do to the cells of the body and then being able to literally provide them the nutritional support to basically thrive after being repaired. I think that is really the goal that we set out in doing this and then knowing the other benefits that these components provide is just icing on the cake in my opinion.
John Dowdy:
No, absolutely. As we've mentioned a couple of times with this being really the foundation and depending on the part of the country that you're in, and we don't even have to get into any depths of this whatsoever. A couple of conversations I've had with people, "Oh, well is there selenium in it," or, "Is there this in it or that?" The short answer is no. It's a very simple, high quality oil, vitamin E, colloidal silver combination to work specifically in conjunction with our amino acids. When you have this solid foundation, and of course we always recommend from a company standpoint, and I'm sure you'll agree with this too, it's vitally important to have a good team around you with your veterinarian and farrier.
John Dowdy:
I tell people all the time, up until this point, just with the amino acids, one of the benefits that that product provides is a really strong, healthy, faster growing hoof. Amongst some of the other benefits. One of the examples that I give, is if you have the best farrier on the planet, standing in front of your horse that has a major hoof problem, there's not much the farrier can do if there's not much hoof to work with. One of the benefits of the amino acids of the Equinety Horse XL, it helps grow that faster, stronger, healthier, growing hoof, which gives the farrier more to work with in a shorter amount of time. By adding the Ultimate OEC in a combination with the Equinety Horse XL, we're really given your horse a great foundation of high quality products that really gives your team around you a lot more to work with. If you do need to supplement a few other things, then that's going to be specific to your horse and where they're at in that particular stage of life and part of the country.
John Dowdy:
That is pretty darn awesome. Well, is there anything else that you can think of that we haven't touched upon or should we just end this right here and get this stuff out there?
Dr. Bruggen:
I'm ready to get it out there. I've been sending you texts and emails throughout the year, just so excited about this product. We've worked really, really hard in making sure that what we've developed as something that we're proud of, that we know is going to have success. I mean, me as a veterinarian, I want all my clients and their horses obviously to be happy. I want the horses to be healthy and happy. Even for my horses, I want to be able to have products in the barn that I know that my horses are going to look amazing 100% of the time. They're going to perform well. I really believe that we've developed a product that compliments an already outstanding product in itself. I think just to... I always tell people, I was like, "Keep it simple."
Dr. Bruggen:
Sometimes I go into these barns and there's cabinets full of supplements. Sometimes the worst is honestly eating more supplements than it is probably a grain. If you can streamline what you're doing nutritionally for your horse and get all those extras, maybe not essential things, out of there, and really just give them that solid foundation to where their body can utilize what they're being given. I think it will be a game changer for so many of these horses to really just feel their best, look their best and perform their best. I'm just really excited.
John Dowdy:
No, that's great. I think what I actually heard you say, and you put in a lot of other things, but in the beginning of that whole thing. Really this oil was for yourself in your own barn. If everybody else can benefit then that's great too. I think that's what I heard.
Dr. Bruggen:
Yeah, absolutely.
John Dowdy:
Awesome. Oh gosh. I tell you what, I'm excited. Of course I know you are. We have a lot of people that are excited about this. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to go into the depths of exactly what this is. Hopefully if you're using an oil, just makes sure that it's Omega 3 oil. If you're using vitamin E, make sure that it's natural. There are some other components in here, hopefully some great takeaways that if you already use some things or are looking at using some things, just keep these points in mind when you're looking for a good quality oil and vitamin E.
John Dowdy:
Dr. Zach Bruggen, thank you so much for taking the time to share all the information here about the newest Equinety product, the Ultimate OEC.
Dr. Bruggen:
Thank you, John. I appreciate it very much.
John Dowdy:
You bet. Thanks. Bye. Bye.
Dr. Bruggen:
Bye.
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