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PSSM, Tying Up, Depression, Severe Abscesses, Weight Loss, Hock and Stifle Injections, Calcium Deposit, Navicular, Mystery Lame

Written by John Dowdy | Jul 3, 2019 1:00:19 PM

 

PSSM, Tying Up, Depression, Severe Abscesses, Weight Loss, Hock
and Stifle Injections, Calcium Deposit, Navicular, Mystery Lame

John Dowdy:    

Hello everyone, and I am so excited to have on Katelyn Eddleman in this podcast. This story is absolutely going to blow you away. Katelyn is a professional barrel racer out of Illinois, and the story that she's going to be sharing is, well, something I think everyone should hear, which is why we have her on the show. Katelyn, welcome to the Equinety Podcast.

Katelyn E.:       

Hi! Thanks for having me. I'm so excited for everybody to hear my story, and I hope that you get some of those skeptics out there to believe in it, because I know I believe in it, and I'm not one of those people who thinks that supplements are the greatest thing that God invented for us. So I'm so excited.

John Dowdy:    

Well, we are excited to have you on and share this story. So let's just dig right into this. Now, we had a little pre-conversation before we jumped on here, just so it halfway sounded like I knew what I was talking about. But as you were telling me, within days of you being born, you were introduced into the equine industry. Tell us about that.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah, my mom is just as horse crazy as I am. She got me started with horses, and I'm pretty sure ... I don't remember this, but I'm pretty sure she told me that the day they brought me home from the hospital, I went out and helped her feed. So I have been around horses my entire life. I'm 23, now, so I've got a few years of knowledge; that I'd love to help other people get started and share that with them.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah.

Katelyn E.:       

And, yeah.

John Dowdy:    

That's awesome. So you did some Western Pleasure, some Gated Horses, but then you fell in love with the Barrel Horse and the adrenine that comes along with that.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah. Yep, I like to go fast.

John Dowdy:    

Yes, Ricky Bobby, I think is a reference right there.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes! Yeah.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah, there you go. So at age 15, you start training your own horses. By age 18, you are a pro.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes.

John Dowdy:    

Yep.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. So when I was 15, because I've ... My daddy's a farmer. My mom's a nurse. They're just good people from Illinois, and we didn't have the money to go buy these $50,000 barrel horses like I was already competing against in high school rodeo.

So I found this horse from a friend of mine, and he was six years old, and he was really not broke. People had rode him around a round pit a couple times, and my gosh he had an attitude. And I have his brother and his sister and his mother, and they all have the same one, so I know it was just him. And we ended up buying him for $1,400. And like I said, I was 15 and I had been barrel racing since I was seven. I never really trained my own horse, so we thought we'd give it a shot with this one. So trained him. Broke him and trained him, and he ended up qualifying me just a year later for the National High School Finals rodeo in Wyoming. I was fourth in the state of Illinois on him, and I had only ran him for half of that season. I had had another horse I'd ran.

So he brought me up from 11th place to 4th in just half of the rodeo season, so he was a really awesome horse. He's that once in a lifetime horse that you come across, and you know you'll never replace him.

John Dowdy:    

So as you are young in your career ... So you're going to six to eight events a month, you've started a training business; ultimately turned into a full-time boarding and training facility, which is what you're doing full-time these days.

But going back to this 1D horse, so I know a couple issues that ... Well, why don't you tell everyone just the issues that were going on with this horse, besides the fact he's pulling checks, by the way.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah, he was pulling checks left and right. I'd only took him to a few WPRA rodeos, and I was already $200 away from filling my permit. So being 18 years old and ... I thought I was it. You know? I thought I was doing awesome, and especially on a horse that I had trained, running against a lot of these super nice horses. And the girls riding them were insane. And I knew very shortly after we bought this horse that he was PSSM, but he was tying up. And I'd had him on six different supplements. And when I say tied up, I mean I took him to practice one night, and had him tied to the rail and I was riding another horse, and he fell over and looked like he was seizing. He was tying up so bad. And that's when we actually found out he had tie-ups and he was PSSM. Had him on six different supplements, the best that money can buy, and he was having to have muscle relaxer shots to run. Granted, he was still pulling checks. It was expensive to feed him, but he was pulling checks.

And on top of it is he also needed hock and stifle injections every six to eight months. Those started coming in. He was 10 years old at this point.

John Dowdy:    

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Katelyn E.:       

And then like I said, he was doing really good on the pro circuit, and I'd take him to big barrel races, and he'd be in the 1D every time. I'd bet on that horse, that he was going to be in the 1D no matter where you took him. And well, what happened, I had a farrier. He was in a car accident. He was the best farrier that I could've ever had. He was in a really bad car accident, and he was out. And the biggest rodeo of the year was coming up. It's the Sikeston Jaycee Bootheel Rodeo. A lot of people hear about it, in Sikeston, Missouri. It's part of the Wrangler Million Dollar Tour. There's $12,000 added in the barrels. And there's a lot of money on the line. I really needed him. And I had another farrier cripple him three days before this rodeo. And he was out for two years after that.

John Dowdy:    

Wow. So that had to have been ... So here you are, you've got your 1D horse that's pulling checks left and right. You're high on life, you're 18 years old thinking, "Man, I've made it." And then your farrier is out of pocket, and then another farrier cripples your only horse that you had.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep.

John Dowdy:    

For the biggest event that ...

Katelyn E.:       

Yep, so it was ... Yeah. You know, this was a four or five day rodeo. It was a big deal. But in the midst of winning and feeling like I was on top of the world, I had forgot about the fact that I should have a backup horse.

John Dowdy:    

Right. Well, you actually did have a backup horse.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes.

John Dowdy:    

Tell us about your backup horse. Now, so your great horse is now lame.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. Dead lame. He couldn't even stand up in the stall, he was so bad.

John Dowdy:    

Okay. So now you've got the event, so tell us about your unplanned backup horse.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. I had a backup horse, unintentionally. But I had found a colt, and my dad got him for me as a little present, because I was doing so good. And he was a four-year old stud, at that. He was bred really nice, and he had only had two weeks on the barrels. I had just done enough with him to where he kind of knew that you should go to the left, right, and then right. And ended up having to run him at that rodeo, or draw out and still have to pay my entry fee. So I thought, "Well, if I have to pay the entry fee, I might as well run something."

John Dowdy:    

Right.

Katelyn E.:       

And he didn't do bad. He ran a second and half off the winner of it, which I was impressed with. It was a really hard setup. But still, was not going to put me in the money. And when you do it for a living, you don't do it for fun. So yeah, with my 1D horse being out, it put me in a really tough spot.

John Dowdy:    

Yes, now with your 1D horse being out ... So he's crippled. So he lost a bunch of weight, there's abscesses. Tell us kind of what's going on with your 1D horse, now, that's out.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. At that point, he looked depressed, like a human would, depressed. And looked like he just had no will to live anymore. He'd just lay in his stall all day. He couldn't hardly even turn around in it, and he abscessed so bad that he blew off both of his front heels. Just completely were gone. And that is a disgusting sight for anybody who has not seen it.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, no doubt.

Katelyn E.:       

And he lost about 250 pounds. And anybody who saw this horse, he was just a brick house all of the time. He was so heavily built. And to see him in that state to where he looked like a rescue case was just heartbreaking. And I mean, I just knew if I could ever just get him sound again, I will retire him for as much as he's done for me. And granted, he's 10 years old at this time.

John Dowdy:    

Right.

Katelyn E.:       

10 or 11. I think he was 11 actually. Where he should be in his prime, he's now in a stall unable to walk.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, okay. So now we know the condition on him. Stay tuned to that story. And now we're back over on your four-year-old, which has had two weeks of pattern.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah. He was two weeks pattern, and I was entered in other rodeos besides that big one.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, gosh. Okay. So now, tell us what's going on with with your backup horse, now; who's now your main horse.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. Yep, he is. Come a long way in four years. So he was running rodeos. And you know, he'd do enough not to embarrass me, but he wasn't pulling checks. And he started doing really good. I took him to a big barrel race, and he placed in the 1D. And this was the first 1D run, and gave me the hopes; thought, "Wow, maybe he can replace him," my good horse. And lo and behold, this horse I had also broken, trained him, and one day I got on him and was practicing him, and he bucked me off. And I thought, "Wow, there's something wrong, because this horse doesn't buck." So I took him to the vet, and I noticed a bump on his lower jaw, right where the chinstrap goes. And I took him to the vet, and I said, "I think his jaw is broke." The vet kind of laughed at me like, "Oh." This is a huge horse. He's 1200 pounds. His legs are so big, I have to special order his leg grabs. Said, "There's no way he's broke a bone. He'd have to be in a trailer accident to do that." You know?

John Dowdy:    

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Katelyn E.:       

And sure enough, he broke his jaw. Fractured it all the way through, and he was out for about eight months. And I also tried all different therapies on him; [inaudible 00:10:49] mask and Magna Wave, magnetic stuff. And nothing ever helped, and he was out. So here I am, again, because I didn't learn my lesson the first time, that-

John Dowdy:    

Yes, well and I-

Katelyn E.:       

Now, I have no good horse.

John Dowdy:    

And I would assume that with a fractured jaw, pretty much nothing would work, no matter what you had tried; but time and healing, I guess, at this point.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes. And that's exactly what the vet said. He said, "There's really nothing ... " Especially where the break was, we couldn't even do anything with it. He's just going to have to basically live his life until he fixed it, or it may never fix. You know?

So luckily, eight months down the road, took him back, and he was okay to start riding again, but like I said, it was right where the chinstrap goes, and I ride him in a hackamore, so I rely heavily on that chinstrap, and it was hurting him because the break had created scar tissue and calcium deposits, and it was just painful for him, for me to pull back at any pressure. Just the slightest pressure really hurt him.

John Dowdy:    

This isn't the first time he broke his jaw, either; after the first time.

Katelyn E.:       

No. No, that was the first time. And then it was like he came back and he made ... I think I ran him for about a month, and he ended up breaking it in a different spot. And an x-ray confirmed, broken it in a different spot. So he was out for yet another ... I think this one only took six or seven months. Brought him back again. At this point, I have other colts and I'm trying them, and they're not making what I need them to be, so I'm out of the rodeo circuit for a while, trying to get my stock built ...

Yeah, so he broke it again for the second time, and he was out. And then I brought him back, and I made two barrel runs on him, and he ran in the 1D again, which I thought was amazing for being out that long.

John Dowdy:    

Right.

Katelyn E.:       

And lo and behold, he broke it for a third time. Put him out for another six or seven months. And at this point, I'm just so done. I'm like, "I'm going to try to bring back my 1D horse." I had tried before, and he wasn't ready. So I said, "I'm going to bring him back." I brought him back, trained him at a couple rodeos, and he used to be in the 1D, and now we're talking 2D and I feel like he's giving me everything he has.

John Dowdy:    

Right. So just to clarify, so this is your main 1D horse that's been confined, depressed and everything for a good two years.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah.

John Dowdy:   

So he's at a point now where you've kind of brought him back into some training, so you go take him out to some events. So your 1D is now barely 2D.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes. Barely. And especially at a rodeo, if they're barely in the 2D, they're not going to place at a rodeo. So still, before, he was this big, heavily muscled horse. And now, he barely looks like he's in rodeo condition. He doesn't have the muscle mass, and he's got a hint of ribs showing, and I feel like I was feeding him with a shovel, and I just couldn't get the weight back on him after he had lost it from his feed.

And when he was running, I could tell that he was still unsure of his feet. He would safety up, he wouldn't want to get in the dirt. And before, this horse would run on blacktop if you asked him to.

John Dowdy:    

Right.

Katelyn E.:       

And yeah, at this point, this is when I found Equinety. And I had tried everything else, and I was actually sponsored by a supplement company, and I don't believe in products. Even if I'm sponsored by them, that doesn't mean I have to use them. If they're not going to work, I'm not going to feed it. And I was sponsored by them, it was a big name brand company, and it just wasn't working. I actually stopped feeding it, and I found Equinety. And four days after I started just a single scoop dose on him, I took him to an open rodeo and got in the money.

And at this point, I thought I was back on top of the world, just winning a little bit of money at an open rodeo.

John Dowdy:    

Now, going back to your philosophy on supplements; you typically will give any supplement a 60-day trial, as your time period. Right?

Katelyn E.:       

Mm-hmm (affirmative), yep. I give it 60 days, because I think that's a pretty fair trial for anything to work, and me see results on it. If I can't see results, I don't believe it's working. Especially on a supplement. I don't think that it's the end-all, cure-all thing. But if it works, I'll keep feeding it. And if not, it's going out the door.

John Dowdy:    

No, that's right. And you know, the one thing with supplements, and one of the greatest things that we are so blessed with, and the amino acid combination in Equinety; it actually starts working within 24 hours. And now, it's just a matter of what you can start seeing. And of course, there's so many jaw dropping stories and testimonials that we have. And again, it's one reason why we're doing the podcast, to help get these stories out there. And people think, "Oh my gosh. Well, have been taking Equinety or using it for 15 days and my horse that has ringbone is not back yet." And I'm just like, "Okay, where's your reality, here?" I mean, yeah we've seen some crazy things happen within days, but typically when it comes to supplements, it's often times going to take a lot of time because in our case, it's an all-natural supplement. Versus you give a drug, it could be instantaneous. But it's just a bandaid, typically. You know?

Katelyn E.:       

Mm-hmm (affirmative), yeah.

John Dowdy:    

So with your philosophy of giving a supplement a good 60 days to see results; you saw results with Equinety in four days.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes.

John Dowdy:    

And what did you notice, specifically?

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah, so on this horse, I noticed ... Like I said, he wasn't wanting to turn really good, wasn't wanting to get in the dirt. And when I'd take him to a rodeo and I'd turn the barrels, and my foot almost dragged to the ground, I think we're back in business, because that's just the type of horse that he was before all of the injuries took place, as he was the type that would slide all the way around the barrels, or you think your foot's going to drag the ground, and that's how he was again. It just made me so happy to see him back how he was, and feeling good's the main thing, and having him sound again. Because like I said, this horse has done so much for me, I just wanted to have one more good year on him, and then retire him sound, because he deserved it.

John Dowdy:    

And just to recap, so this is the horse that has PSSM, huge tying up issues, you had him on six different supplements.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep.

John Dowdy:    

Also, tell us about what your veterinarian said, because you were having to inject, like clockwork, every six to eight weeks, which is running you about $800 every time.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep.

John Dowdy:    

So tell us what-

Katelyn E.:       

Six to eight months.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, six to eight months, yes.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah.

John Dowdy:    

So tell us what your veterinarian said when it was time to have the injections.

Katelyn E.:       

Yeah. So most of the time, I could feel the horse, whenever he would need injections. And I wasn't feeling his signs, but I wanted to take him, because I knew six to eight months, he needs injections. I've had this horse for 10 years.

John Dowdy:    

And these are hock and stifle injections.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep, hock and stifle. Both of them; both left and right. So before, when he was running really good and winning checks, he was grading a three and a four on hocks and stifles like clockwork, six to eight months. And on a pain scale, that is severe pain. Absolutely yes, he needs injections. If not, he's not going to be able to walk.

So after starting Equinety ... Granted, I also have an EquiVibe, but I was not using it daily, and Equinety was. I'm very religious about giving supplements daily. And I took him back to the vet, which, this is an equine specialist, not just your run of the mill vet. And he was grading a half to a zero on his hock and stifle.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, that's awesome.

Katelyn E.:       

And we just could not believe it. The vet said, "This is miraculous. What are you doing? I have to know what you're doing, because I've never seen this before." Yeah, and that's pretty ... He's been a vet for over 20 years, so for him to tell me that, I think, "Man, maybe I should to school to be a vet. I'm doing something right."

John Dowdy:    

Yeah. Well that's pretty awesome. So the vet was shocked and wondering what in the world you were doing.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes. And for him to tell me, "Your horse is sound," those words just mean so much to me.

John Dowdy:    

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Katelyn E.:       

There's not a lot of the times when I think a horse needs to go to him, do I hear the word sound come out of his mouth.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah. No, that is ... So for anyone out there who is tuning in, and you're giving injections ... And by the way, we hear this all the time. But from our standpoint, we're not going to go around saying, "Oh, yeah well if you give this, you don't have to inject," because we don't know your horse. I mean, you know your horse better than anybody. So in combination with how old your horse is feeling under saddle, and with your medical team and vets who really know your horse, this is a pretty profound confirmation, again, for us, just because we hear this all the time.

So now this the first time the horse hasn't been injected. Also, some of the supplements that you were using for the tying up things had been discontinued. Wasn't that what you told me?

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. The muscle relaxer shots he was getting before his run had actually been discontinued. But with the Equinety, he hasn't needed them. He's also off of all of his other supplements, as with my other five barrel and roping horses. The only supplement they get is Equinety, because I don't think they need anything else, honestly.

John Dowdy:    

Well, and I tell you; people ask all the time, "Hey, is Equinety safe to give with supplements or what I have in my program for my horses?" So we always recommend ... First of all, yes it's 100% safe. We always recommend not to change a thing you're doing, just add the Equinety to it, which is pretty much what you were doing. And over time, you're going to be able to figure out, "I know what my horse is like now. If I add the Equinety to it," which is the only element, now, that you're changing. Over time, you're going to be able to figure out, "Hey, my horse is moving better here, or doing better there." And so I think everybody who has a horse and is giving some kind of supplements, probably in the back of their mind, might be thinking to themselves, "You know what? I'm not sure if this particular product is working that well, but I feel good about myself, because I'm giving my horse something." So these are some of the things that you could probably weed out.

So what we hear all the time, is people that're using the Equinety are typically saving 20% to 40% in medical vet bills, and/or other supplements. And I think this is a definite confirmation to that.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes, 100%. And I mean, just having to cut out the injections ... Because I was essentially getting him injected twice a year, and it was $800 each time I got everything injected. So when you pencil out the Equinety and it only costs you, I think ... What is it, between $300 and $400 a year to feed, compared to $1,200 that I was keeping to keep this horse running, that's a huge difference.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, absolutely. Well, and we tried to price it as a dollar a day for your horse. Obviously, if you have 12 horses, then people are, "Oh, well that's $12 a day." Well no, it's still a dollar a day for one horse.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes, yes.

John Dowdy:    

Okay, so let's get back into ... So your horse is back. Tell us what happened all of last year with your horse. So he's on Equinety, he's pulling checks again.

Katelyn E.:       

Mm-hmm (affirmative), yeah. So I was taking him to open rodeos and pulling checks. And I still wasn't pushing him as hard as he was, because I was happy where he was. I didn't want to trust my luck too much, but he was making me proud, and he was really ... People noticed that he was back. Taking him to barrel races and rodeos all the time, going every month, and he was pulling checks again, in the 1D, at that, and at rodeos. So just to have him back to where he was and feeling good again was just the highlight of my year. And then while he's actually coming back, so did my stud horse that I had. Except he's not a stud at this point. I got a baby out of him, and gelded him. He came back from that third jaw break, and now he's my main barrel horse and he starts out running, my good horse. So I put a little bit more time on him.

John Dowdy:    

And then you ended up retiring your 1D.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep.

John Dowdy:    

Okay. So now you're-

Katelyn E.:       

Yep, retired him this year. So all I said was I wanted to have one more good year on him and retire him sound, because he deserves it so much for everything he's done for me. He made my dreams come true, so that's the least I could for him, is make him comfortable and let him live out his life.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, that's great.

Katelyn E.:       

So he's enjoying green pastures with his momma.

John Dowdy:    

That's great. Okay, so he's retired. So now you're back on your gelding, the one that had broken his jaw three times. He also has a calcium deposit that's been forming on this broken area. Tell us about that.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes. He had a ... It's probably about the size of a golf ball; it'd be the best way I could describe it. Right where the chinstrap goes on his hackamore, like I had said, where he'd broke his jaw. I was having problems with him, with a hackamore, trying to adjust it and try to dodge that calcium deposit on this jaw, which is very hard to do. And just could not run him. He was hurting, and I thought, "Well, you know what? I'll try Equinety on him, too," because the vet had already told me that we can't shave the calcium off. So I put him on Equinety, and lo and behold the calcium deposit has probably went down half its size. And I'm actually able to ride him with the hackamore where it needs to be, and that ... So I have more control of him, because I literally was running a loose cannon. He's just done so awesome on it. I just can't believe it. It feels like every time I look at that calcium deposit, it just keeps going down.

John Dowdy:    

Wow.

Katelyn E.:       

And I just can't believe my eyes.

John Dowdy:    

I've had people ask about calcium deposits and things like that, but this is really the first time that we've heard. And we have to assume that this is what's helping, because ultimately what the amino acids are doing, it stimulates the pituitary gland, which releases the hormones. And then the horse's body decides where to send those hormones for the healing. So this is why it does so many different things around the body. So have you ever seen a calcium deposit decrease in size when they have one?

Katelyn E.:       

Oh, in my horse, absolutely. I mean, that was the only thing I changed on him. And he wasn't getting any other type of therapy or supplements. He wasn't on any supplements at all. So for me to see that this calcium deposit was half in size, and I can start running him again with no issues of it hurting him, which is my main focus. I don't like to run a horse knowing that they're hurting. And if Equinety ... If all it does is makes me know that my horses are healthy and happy and feeling their best, then I think that it's done its job, which it has, 100%.

John Dowdy:    

That's great. So where is he today, as far as how's he running? What's he doing these days?

Katelyn E.:       

So he had a little bit of a winter break. His third jaw break, I brought him back this fall, and was running him on Equinety. And I believe I ran him about six, seven, eight times in a month and he was in the 1D and had won the 1D everything. He was either in it, or won it against some really tough competitors and some professional girls with professional horses. So he was back, better than ever.

John Dowdy:    

So in combination with your training, we won't tell them he was on Equinety.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, that's awesome. Okay so-

Katelyn E.:       

Yes, I have time and openings.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah, exactly. Oh, now one other thing to touch on; I know we're running really long compared to our podcasts, but there's so much great information here. So one of the things you had mentioned before he was cut, he was a very great horse, around the mares and everything else, and once he was cut, then he started acting crazy. Tell us about that.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes, he was an awesome stud. I'd take him to barrel races and people wouldn't even know he was a stud until I would mention something. And I had him cut. I had a baby out of him, and then had him cut because I needed him for a barrel horse more than I did a breeding stallion. I cut him, and this horse was a basket case. I could not believe it. I don't know, it was like a switch had flipped on him. I couldn't keep him in a stall, he jumped over my stall gate, tore it down. Tore my fence down. Belly crawled underneath an electric fence. I've never seen a horse do that before, but they can. And I took him to the vet, and he we had him acupuncture, and he said, "This might help. This may not help." So I then put him on Equinety. That, plus his jaw, and he is so focused now. He's actually running in the pasture with four other geldings. He's just doing awesome. I can't fault him on anything. And he can actually be across the fence from mares, now, and be in a stall and be focused and comfortable and not so worried about his surroundings. It's just done so much for him. It's really able to make him win like I know he can.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah, just more focused, calmer, less stressed.

Katelyn E.:       

Yes.

John Dowdy:    

Mm-hmm (affirmative), yeah. That's great. Now, before we wrap up this call, I know you've got multiple horses that you have on Equinety. Give us a couple examples of just a couple other horses with a couple other issues going on, just as we end off this.

Katelyn E.:       

Yep. So I have a 10-year-old horse, and he has been diagnosed with navicular, recently. It was in December [inaudible 00:28:30], around the New Year. And x-ray confirmed. And he has degeneration in his knees, also. And the vet actually couldn't believe that he wasn't [inaudible 00:28:41] lame. He was a little lame. I noticed it whenever I'd ride him, he'd trip a lot, and he would fall down. And that led me to take him to the vet. Diagnosed navicular. And actually, he is running 100% sound right now, without corrective shoeing. He is barefoot. Having no issues of tripping. One of my friends actually took him and was running steers off of him with no issues. And it has actually calmed him down a lot, also, and helped him focus. He was a little bit more of a high strung horse, also. And it has really dialed him in. And he is running the best barrels. He's actually running a second off of my great horse, and he has only been running barrels for a couple months, so that was pretty impressive; plus, having the navicular.

John Dowdy:    

We hear a lot of how this helps with navicular. There's a couple other podcasts that we have around navicular, so that's great. And then tell us real quick about your paint horse.

Katelyn E.:       

So I have a paint horse, and I use him for lessons. I'm also the Stock Seat Equitation Head Coach for our local University, and I use him for lesson programs, and I'm going to start roping cattle off of him. And he came in from the pasture. This is a healthy 11-year-old horse. I think that he would be healthy if he lived on rocks. And he came in dragging his back leg, and I am not exaggerating. He was literally dragging his toe. Could not put any weight. Couldn't even pick up his leg

And I looked him over. At this point, there was no swelling. He didn't have a cut on him, puncture wounds. I checked his hip. His hip was not dislocated. And I thought, "Well maybe he's sprained his ankle," just plain and simple. So I put him in the stall, give him some [inaudible 00:30:28]. Well, about four or five days went by, and he wasn't getting better. And it was over the weekend, so I couldn't take him to the vet. And my vet has a two-month waiting list, anyways. I went in one night to check on him after I was exercising horses, and his leg was so swelled up from his hoof to his hock to his ankle, I could not feel his tendon. It was just solid, swelled up.

And I thought, "Oh, no. I'm for sure going to have to take this horse to an emergency vet call in the morning and have his ankle x-rayed, or something." So I thought, "Before I jump off the deep end, I will give him a dose of Equinety, and see if it helps him." And I kid you not, this was at 8:00 at night, I gave him one single dose of Equinety, and the next morning, at about 9:00 in the morning, this horse was walking around sound with no swelling. And I was having to pick my jaw up off the hallway floor. It was crazy. I was calling everybody, and I said, "Are you kidding me? This horse is sound!" And I called my mom, and I called my best friend, and I'm calling everybody and I said, "I cannot believe my eyes. Somebody come check me. This horse is sound."

John Dowdy:    

See now-

Katelyn E.:       

And he's been-

John Dowdy:    

Now, I'm going to jump in, because then people will say, "Well, where's the video confirmation that this is true?"

Katelyn E.:       

Yes. I wish I had, but I was so worried. That was the first thing I said when I called everybody. I said, "I should have taken a picture. I should have videoed him." I will say, my mom is a witness. She saw him limp.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, okay. There we go.

Katelyn E.:       

So if anybody wants to check me, I will give you my mom's phone number.

John Dowdy:    

There you go. Oh, man.

Katelyn E.:       

He was limping so bad he couldn't even hardly set his toe on the ground. All he would do was spin circles in the stall all day, because he couldn't even walk around. And I have 12 by 15 stalls. He could not even walk around in a stall, he was so lame.

John Dowdy:    

Oh, wow.

Katelyn E.:       

He couldn't lay down, because if he laid down, he couldn't get back up.

John Dowdy:    

Yeah, yeah.

Katelyn E.:       

It was so bad.

John Dowdy:    

Bad news. Wow.

Katelyn E.:       

And I thought about riding his butt yesterday, he was so sound!

John Dowdy:    

Well, Katelyn, I can't thank you enough for all your time. I know you're probably multitasking and doing all kinds of things, and we went way longer than ... Probably twice as long as what we normally do, but there's so much great information in here that we just think needs to get out there. So I really appreciate your time and sharing all of your multiple Equinety stories, here.

Katelyn E.:       

Oh, no problem. And I would be happy to share them with anybody who would give me a call. I would testify that this is greatest supplement I have ever tried on the market, hands down. And I will continue to use it for years to come. As long as you guys make it, it's going to be in my barn.

John Dowdy:    

Absolutely. Well, we can't stop now. We started something we can't stop. So, awesome. Well, thank you so much.

Katelyn E.:       

Oh, you're so welcome. Thank you for having me.

John Dowdy:    

You bet.